The Three L's of Leadership: Listen, Learn, Lead with Anthony Nelson Jr.

Jim Burgoon: 00:00:00

Welcome to Grace in the Grind, the podcast where we dive deep into the journeys of heart centered and purpose driven leaders and entrepreneurs.

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We're here to equip and encourage you on your journey.

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So let's get started and find the grace within the grind.

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This is Grace in the Grind.

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And now your host, Jim Burgoon.

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Welcome to this episode of Grace in the Grind where we're here to empower, to encourage and to equip Christians in business to do all that God has for them to do.

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And today we have a new friend to the show, Anthony.

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Welcome to the show.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:00:34

Hey, thanks for having me, Jim.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:00:36

I appreciate it.

Guest: 00:00:37

So let's do this.

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At the first segment, we always ask our guests, because you are the best expert of you, why don't you take 60 to 90 seconds and just tell the audience who you are and what you do?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:00:47

Yeah, absolutely.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:00:49

So I am a product of a single parent household, stereotypical African American household in the United States.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:00

I am a product of that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:02

I'm also a product of the public school system in Newport News, Virginia.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:07

I'm also a product of the Air Force.

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20 years, did that and retired.

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So what am I doing now?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:15

Today I run two companies.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:17

I run a leadership company aimed at encouraging business owners to treat their people better and learn how to communicate with them better.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:28

And also I own a clothing line, Christian clothing line.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:33

A lot of slogans and statements, but with these two power together, my aim is to cultivate a network of leaders to let people know that you are a leader.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:45

You're also a follower.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:01:46

So in order to be a better leader, you got to be a better follower.

Guest: 00:01:50

That's great stuff.

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So you actually, when as you were talking, you opened up a really great line of questionings that I think a lot of our listeners may benefit from, which is you grew up in a single parent home and I know that brings a lot of challenges.

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So let's first start talk of that.

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Growing up in a home and an environment like that, with a single parent coming into adult adulthood, what were some of the challenges you faced?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:02:13

Yeah, having the presence of a, a two parent home is incredible, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:02:20

Knowing that God instituted that from the beginning definitely says that there's power and authority and protection and covering with that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:02:29

So not having that kind of leaves you out there for the wild, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:02:33

For the wolves, so to speak.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:02:35

s, early: 2000

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:02:55

But I will say most people tend to leave out or not even bring awareness to the parent that wasn't there.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:03:02

So even though my father was not there, he still loved us, my sister and I.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:03:07

He still showed up when he could, given this situation.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:03:11

So even though my mother and father were no longer together, he still loved us.

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So then growing up in that.

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And you know what?

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I'm grateful that your dad still loved you.

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My dad left.

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I haven't seen him in 43 years.

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He left when I was like 6.

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So with that being said, mindset is everything.

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And developing the mindset within this context, when a father is absent, the mindset tends to be very challenging.

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Right.

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Like you tend to have much more.

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I'm not going to win, I'm not going to compete.

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I'm not this really almost passive mindset when a father isn't present.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:03:45

Yeah.

Guest: 00:03:45

How did you get through some of the challenges of those type of things to be successful in what you've done?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:03:51

Yeah, absolutely.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:03:52

So in my life, I'm definitely aware of God's presence and his hand and covering over my life, even though my father wasn't there.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:03

I had an older brother.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:04

He was 19 years older.

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But when he wasn't in my life, I've always had uncles, older cousins, a good friend, childhood friend of mine, jt.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:15

Shout out.

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Jt.

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I love him and he was like a big brother to me.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:19

But I've always had male role models in my life.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:22

Whether that was like a deacon at a church, a coach, a mentor, a teacher, I've always had that male figure cover me and guide me along the way.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:33

And I understand that's not everyone's story, but when I reflect back, I'm grateful because it kept me from a lot of things that could have hurt me.

Guest: 00:04:42

So when did you meet God?

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Because you've mentioned that in our conversation, God has been the guiding factor, which, praise God, that you've had those male influences.

Guest: 00:04:51

But when did you meet God on your journey?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:53

Yeah.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:54

So I like to tell people I.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:04:56

I've never done drugs, but growing up I did have a drug problem and that problem was my mom drug us to church.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:03

Right.

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I was like, wait, this is interesting.

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No, I got you.

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I like this.

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Yeah.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:07

So I don't really ascribe to the fact that we grew up in church.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:12

Like there was a life event.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:13

Right.

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My mother and father got a divorce and then we started to go to church, but church wasn't in us.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:20

So really it wasn't until I joined the Air Force and got out on My own.

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To live life, as you say, in: 2005

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Yeah,: 2005

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And he joined me with the family when I was stationed in Alaska.

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That kind of took me in.

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I still talk to him today.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:44

Beth and Derek Whitaker, and they just showed me the love of Christ, man.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:49

In practical terms.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:50

It wasn't beat me up with theological terms, even though there were time for Bible studies and things like that, but just a love of Christ, man.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:05:59

And it really challenged me because what I saw in the military and what I read in the Word, it felt like it was opposite.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:06

It felt like, yo, you can't be a Christian and be in the Air Force or military, because this is what I'm seeing promoted in the barracks or in the dorms.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:17

So how can one live a life that is honoring to God but still serve his country, but still identify with elements of his upbringing that he's still a part of?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:30

Right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:30

So I grew up listening to hip hop and playing sports and stuff.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:34

How can you be a Christian and still do these things?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:37

The Whitakers were one family that showed me how I could still do that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:42

1 Honor God, to represent him in the workplace or the marketplace.

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So what prompted you getting into the military?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:48

Sorry, I'm laughing because people are gonna really enjoy this.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:06:52

I was involved with a young lady and I was out there doing things that only married people should do.

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And we thought we would be expecting.

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So that kind of put a little fire in me to be proactive.

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And hey, if we're going down this road, I need to be able to provide.

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So talked to the recruiter started.

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That's really what spark the interest in.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:20

In going to the military and doing something with my life.

Guest: 00:07:23

So why the Air Force?

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Of all the branches, man, the good.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:28

Story, My father retired army, so I saw a lot with that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:32

And I would say most of my family, specifically on my father's side, joined the Army.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:39

I would say a strong 95% of those family members that joined the Army.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:45

So I had a few join the Marines, Navy here and there.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:48

But when I went to the recruiter, they had a battle buddy system, right?

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Like you can join with your friend and get all this money and bonus and all that stuff.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:07:58

So I remember driving him to the recruiter's office, and the recruiter was very aggressive, great salesman.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:06

And we drove in on a Monday, and he was talking all this talk and was like, hey, I can have you out by Thursday.

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And I said, Thursday, this week.

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And he's yeah, no, man, that's too early, too soon.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:19

I'm a senior in high school.

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I'm trying to figure out life.

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Like I need some time to think about this.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:24

I understand why they do it now, but at that point it pushed me away from the army and then the jobs they were offering me.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:31

I got some insight from a father who's retired army as well as other family members.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:37

And this was around: 2003

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So they said, hey, if you do these particular jobs, where do you think you're going to end up?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:44

And I said, oh, okay.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:46

I pick up what you're putting down.

Guest: 00:08:47

So with the job, what job, first and foremost, what job did you have in the Air Force and are you doing the job that you had?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:08:54

Yeah, so the job I had in the Air Force, it came out as a basic still photographer.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:01

So I was a photographer.

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And then fast forward, years later, we merged to another career field, became a photojournalist.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:09

After photo, we merged into public affairs.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:12

So if you think about anything that your local news station is doing, we did that and more.

Guest: 00:09:19

So now this brings up some interesting side things.

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Number one, as a prior military guy too, I didn't know that photography was an option.

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Oh yeah, it would have done.

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Signed up for that one anyway.

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That's.

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I'll stop being salty there, but so photography, photojournalism, public affairs, clothing line.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:39

Yeah, yeah.

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Or even the leadership brand.

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That's an arc.

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That doesn't.

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Doesn't compute.

Guest: 00:09:45

Well, so tell me the journey to that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:47

Yeah, man, absolutely.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:49

So with respect to my career field, I always felt I was one of the anomalies.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:55

Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:09:56

So my career field is predominantly female, predominantly Caucasian.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:03

And it is, it can be very self centered in a way.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:10

Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:10

Like it's about you, about your articles, your photos, your videos, all these things.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:15

You communicating with senior leaders.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:18

And while that's important in a way, I always felt drawn to helping others.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:25

Right.

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Communicating with others, being the bridge.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:28

And really before it was really before the time that, that we have right now where people are identifying it as emotional intelligence.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:36

I always worked in the fact that I need to know about the person I'm working with.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:41

Right.

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I need to be able to help them.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:42

How can I help them?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:43

So that's what started this whole leadership journey.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:46

When I reflect on my career and I was transitioning out the military, I said, what can I do to still be who I am, right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:10:55

And bring my skills, my knowledge, my experience to the workforce.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:00

And then with the clothing line, I felt like it was birth way back when I was living in the dorms in Alaska and pressing T shirts in.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:08

In the dorm, Christian T shirts, things that kind of stand out.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:12

And I, I began doing that and then I.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:14

There was a season where I stopped.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:16

I got married, had kids and all that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:18

And then I felt it was time to bring it back.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:20

And that's what I did during the pandemic.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:22

So that's where I'm at now.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:25

And I'm very excited for what the future holds with both of those companies.

Guest: 00:11:30

Absolutely.

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Same here.

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And so this, the really interesting part is, so you chose to help people through leadership development.

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Why leadership development?

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And as a career leadership development guy, I've been doing it for about a little over 20 years.

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Like, why that?

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As opposed to social work or even pastoring or something like that.

Guest: 00:11:50

But leadership development's a whole other.

Guest: 00:11:52

Why that, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:54

Yeah, exactly.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:55

So I feel like you can do all of those that you just mentioned, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:11:59

They're all important.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:01

They all have their niche.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:03

But what I found is that people may not read their Bible, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:09

But you may be the only Bible they read.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:11

So whether you're in the marketplace, you're in the church setting, the pews, or the congregation, like you need to represent Christ.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:19

So we need Christ out there in the marketplace.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:22

Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:22

Other people need to know that there is.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:25

I'm sorry, there are people with integrity, there are people with values.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:29

There are people that care about other things in the bottom line.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:34

Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:34

So care about their soul, care about their ego, emotions and how they are understanding and how they're communicating.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:41

So I wanted to do that and be a bridge because I felt I can be an extension and a representation of a local church in the business sector.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:50

And again, no shade to pastors or anything like that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:54

They definitely hold a special place in my heart for a lot of reasons.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:12:57

But I also felt like I could be the bridge, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:13:01

Communicating with the church meeting, also communicating with the business world and being able to draw the two together.

Guest: 00:13:08

So in your leadership development, I'm, I'm fascinated now with the line of thinking here.

Guest: 00:13:12

So with leadership development, do you specifically focus in a niche or do you focus just in general?

Guest: 00:13:19

Like, where is your little like, line in the sand that you drew for, for your audience?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:13:24

Yes.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:13:24

So we're growing it as we speak.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:13:27

And the goal and idea is to target minority owned businesses, small to medium sized businesses, providing them with leadership development.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:13:37

So leadership lessons that I've learned through my faith, through my service in the Air Force, and just my upbringing, principles and concepts, and apply it to business.

Guest: 00:13:48

So where do you find?

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Let's just talk about the minority owned businesses.

Guest: 00:13:52

I think that's a beautiful focus to have.

Guest: 00:13:55

What do you find is the biggest struggles they're having?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:13:59

Oh man, that's a good one.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:01

I say two things I'm going to tread lightly because I don't want it to be misinterpreted sometimes.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:08

One, it is just communication, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:11

Communicating with your employees, communicating with your customers in a way that is respectful but also in a way that's professional.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:21

Then the second one I think is understanding that you are a business, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:28

You're not doing it out the back of your trunk or on the side of the road like you want to be seen as a legitimate business.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:37

Then there are things that you need to do, there's ways that you need to operate and present yourself.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:42

And I think I pull a little bit of that from a public affairs side.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:14:47

Being a strategic communicator, understanding branding and social media and articles and photos and how you represent, so trying to communicate that whole package to a company.

Guest: 00:14:59

So when you're working with them on this stuff, do you work with primarily brand new businesses like or businesses that haven't started but they want to start a business, Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:15:09

So we're targeting businesses that have already started and that are trying to grow and maybe understand that man, in order to, for me to grow, instead of me looking at say this product, right, Maybe I should look internally.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:15:24

How can I grow my people?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:15:26

If I grow my people then very well it could happen that my product or my service will increase.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:15:33

Let me grow them, let me invest in them.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:15:35

So working one on one or in small team settings to help the business understand things like communication, personality, things of that nature.

Guest: 00:15:46

So what is the biggest resistance you have faced when they're trying, when you're trying to help them switch from a product based to a people based man.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:15:54

Everybody knows everything in, in the age of social media and the Internet, everyone knows anything.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:00

Oh yeah, I read that article, I read that book.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:03

I understand.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:04

But how do you apply it?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:05

How do we extract some practical application here?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:09

Sometimes even as a parent, I may say one thing to a child.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:13

They don't listen.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:15

But if their teacher says it a different way, they may hold on to it.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:20

So I'm not really saying anything that they don't know already.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:25

I'm just putting it out there in a different way so they're like, oh, I didn't think about it in that way.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:32

So a lot of times they might say I don't like Susie.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:35

Susie is getting on My nerves.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:36

She's terrible.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:37

I want to fire her.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:39

Is Susie really the problem?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:40

Yeah, Susie's problem.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:42

Could it be your communication with Susie, how you communicate?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:47

Could your timing be off?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:49

Bottom line is this.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:50

I understand it, but could you communicate that differently?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:53

Why are you having that conversation via text message and not in person?

Guest: 00:16:58

I love that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:16:59

So all these different elements of emotional intelligence and then just understanding practical applications of these big principles.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:09

Hey, let's break it down.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:11

And being resilient, which I'm a fan of that word, but I'm also a growing fan of endurance.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:17

I think we need to build endurance.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:20

Oftentimes, from what I've seen in my experience, resilience gets a negative viewpoint.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:26

Right, Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:26

So you're not good enough because you don't have enough resilience.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:30

We need to build that endurance muscle.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:32

We need to work on it.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:17:33

We need to put some practical things in place so then when hard times come, we can build off what we've already started.

Guest: 00:17:40

That's powerful.

Guest: 00:17:41

That's very powerful and fun.

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Fun fact.

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I.

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I love how we're driving because I literally did a live this week.

Guest: 00:17:47

And if you guys who are listening, head to the YouTube channel at lead with Jim.

Guest: 00:17:51

Number one on it was like 10 reasons why you're not growing.

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Number one was you're a know it all.

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That was like legit.

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First one, like number one.

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So if we man, will the know it all, we could start growing again.

Guest: 00:18:01

AB so with all this, you're in these businesses, you're helping them shift, you're doing these things.

Guest: 00:18:07

Lots of resistance on some things.

Guest: 00:18:09

What are like a framework you've developed to really get people to accept this because it's hard to accept that they may be at fault.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:17

Absolutely.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:18

So I, I'll share with you your audience, man.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:21

It's really something that I discovered and developed first in my family, and I share this with my kids all the time.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:31

Three L's, I, I come from an athletic background.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:35

Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:35

So playing sports, growing up, playing sports in the military.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:38

Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:39

We want to get those dubs or those W's, those wins.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:42

We hate those L's, Right.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:43

We hate the losses.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:44

But I think three L's that you need to take every single day to make you better in a three are.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:50

Three Ls are listen, learn and lead.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:18:55

If you listen more, right, then you can know how to lead.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:00

And then listening, you're learning what's working, what's not working.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:06

And then therefore, you can lead a whole lot better.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:09

Because one thing that I discovered through a Very good friend of mine, and I will shout him out.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:14

Drew Carson, he taught me this.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:17

He said, learn to inter.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:19

Sorry, let me repeat that.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:21

He taught me to learn to interrogate your assumptions and not interrogate people.

Guest: 00:19:29

I love that.

Guest: 00:19:30

I love that.

Guest: 00:19:30

Yay.

Guest: 00:19:31

If you're gonna quote somebody, gotta quote them, right?

Guest: 00:19:32

Because they know they're gonna be listening.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:33

Yeah, absolutely.

Guest: 00:19:35

No, that's great.

Guest: 00:19:36

Learn to interrogate your assumptions, not people.

Guest: 00:19:38

I think that's a beautiful statement, man.

Guest: 00:19:40

That's powerful.

Guest: 00:19:41

And to you guys who are listening, make sure that you take hold of that particular statement.

Guest: 00:19:45

In general, if we spent more time interrogating ourselves than we do judging others, oh, my gosh.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:50

Could.

Guest: 00:19:50

How much growth could we have?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:19:52

Yeah.

Guest: 00:19:52

When we.

Guest: 00:19:52

As we come down towards the end of the episode, as we come down ToWards this, there's three things.

Guest: 00:19:58

Ask number one, how do people find you?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:00

Yes, I'm on LinkedIn.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:01

You can just search Anthony Nelson Jr.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:03

I'm on LinkedIn.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:05

Post up there pretty frequently.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:07

The company has an Instagram page, cultivate network leadership.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:12

And a Facebook page, cultivate network leadership as well.

Guest: 00:20:17

Awesome.

Guest: 00:20:17

And for you listeners, we will have that in the show notes.

Guest: 00:20:20

All of those links make it super easy to just click and go to make sure to connect with them.

Guest: 00:20:25

So the.

Guest: 00:20:25

This is the part of the segment as we shut down where we call hashtag wisdom bomb.

Guest: 00:20:29

If you follow me on Lead with Jim, we.

Guest: 00:20:32

And you've dropped a lot of wisdom bombs through a lot through this episode already.

Guest: 00:20:36

en doing this since, I think,: 2019

Guest: 00:20:41

It's a portable truth.

Guest: 00:20:42

A truth people can take and apply to their life.

Guest: 00:20:45

What is one portable truth, one hashtag wisdom bomb that you would leave with the audience.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:50

Man, you put me on the spot.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:52

I.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:52

I need a.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:53

A second or two to think about this one.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:55

Leave the audience with something good, man.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:57

I already gave you three L's.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:20:59

That was, that was pretty good.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:00

Let's see, what would I leave the audience with?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:03

I leave the audience with this, which through my conversations with a pastor of mine that I sat under for 10 years, Abraham Chin Jr.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:13

He used to always tell us to be teachable, coachable and non defensive, Right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:21

So if you want to grow in any area of your life, any relationships, anything, you got to be teachable.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:28

Realize that you don't know it all.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:30

What you know is valuable.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:32

What you know is important, but you don't know it all, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:35

So be teachable.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:36

Also be correctable.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:38

Understand that you could have a portion of the truth, but not a whole truth.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:44

You can have a portion of the equation, but not the whole equation.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:49

Right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:49

So be teachable, correctable.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:51

And the last one is to be non defensive, right?

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:55

So the reality is we choose to be offensive.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:21:59

This person called me, this name, this, this company is doing this.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:22:02

We choose to be offensive.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:22:05

So make the conscious effort to be non defensive.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:22:10

Try to see things outside of yourself so that you can have a better perspective on what's really happening.

Guest: 00:22:17

Powerful.

Guest: 00:22:17

See you elevated the three Ls.

Guest: 00:22:20

We got the dub, man.

Guest: 00:22:21

We got the dub.

Guest: 00:22:22

We elevated it.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:22:23

Good job.

Anthony Nelson Jr.: 00:22:24

Let's go.

Guest: 00:22:25

That's it, man.

Guest: 00:22:26

So you guys, for you guys who are here on Grace and the Grind, we appreciate you listening in and checking out the episodes and with my guests.

Guest: 00:22:33

We're so grateful for Anthony to be here today.

Guest: 00:22:35

Sir, thank you for having this conversation and for all you guys.

Guest: 00:22:38

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Guest: 00:22:39

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Guest: 00:22:48

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Guest: 00:22:50

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Guest: 00:22:54

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Guest: 00:23:01

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Jim Burgoon: 00:23:05

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Jim Burgoon: 00:23:08

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Jim Burgoon: 00:23:17

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Jim Burgoon: 00:23:24

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