Too Many Hats? Turning Burnout to Breakthrough in Business!
🎧 Episode Overview 🔥
What if the business you built to give you freedom actually took it away?
Jeremy Howell thought he was creating the dream life. A thriving business, impact, and financial security. But behind the scenes? He and his wife were drowning. Anxiety, stress, burnout—it almost cost them everything.
In this episode of Grace in the Grind, Jeremy shares his raw and real journey from business-induced rock bottom to a thriving, sustainable life. He unpacks the harsh realities of burnout, the wake-up call that changed everything, and how he rebuilt his business without sacrificing his peace.
🚨 This is for every entrepreneur who feels TRAPPED in the business they created.
💥 Inside this conversation:
✅ The hidden cost of success—why too many entrepreneurs burn out.
✅ How he realized his wife’s stress was the real warning sign.
✅ The 4D Method to stop wearing all the hats & build a sustainable business.
✅ Why hiring employees isn’t a liability—it’s your path to freedom.
✅ The spiritual and practical keys to escaping the burnout trap.
📌 If you’ve ever felt like your business owns you instead of the other way around—this episode is your wake-up call.
💡 Your business should serve YOU, not the other way around.
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💡 Key Takeaways from This Episode
🔴 Rock Bottom Wasn’t Just His—it Was His Wife’s Too
- Burnout doesn’t always look like substance abuse.
- Sometimes, it’s just working yourself into exhaustion.
- Seeing his wife break down was the moment Jeremy knew something had to change.
- When stress manifests physically (like hives & anxiety attacks), it’s time to reevaluate.
🔴 How to Escape the Business Burnout Trap
- Most entrepreneurs start a business for freedom—then become prisoners to it. T
- he problem isn’t the business, it’s how you structure it.
- Your business should work FOR YOU, not the other way around.
🔴 The 4D Method to Stop Wearing All the Hats
1️⃣ Develop – Train your people right. Don’t just throw them into the fire.
2️⃣ Delegate – Get the right people in place & let go of control.
3️⃣ Duplicate – Build systems that allow your team to execute without you.
4️⃣ Disappear – If you’ve built it right, your business can run without you.
🔴 The Power of Trusting Your Team You have to let people screw up.
- Growth happens through mistakes. Stop micromanaging.
- If they can do the job 80% as well as you, let them do it.
- Employees don’t cost you money—they MAKE you money.
🔴 Faith & Entrepreneurship
- Jeremy’s turning point came from a simple, desperate prayer: "God, I can't do this anymore."
- The answer? Knowledge, wisdom, understanding, and one clear direction: Audible.com.
- Listening to 250+ books in a few years rewired his mindset & leadership.
📚 Resources & Links Mentioned 📖
Jeremy’s Business & Coaching:
🌍 Website: Jeremy 's Website
📲 Instagram: @ImpactValueCoaching
📸 Facebook: Jeremy 's Facebook page
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Transcript
Welcome to Grace and the Grind, the podcast where we dive deep into the journeys of heart centered and purpose driven leaders and entrepreneurs.
Speaker A:We're here to equip and encourage you on your journey.
Speaker A:So let's get started and find the grace within the grind.
Speaker A:This is Grace in the Grind.
Speaker A:And now your host, Jim Burgoon.
Speaker B:Today we have a friend of mine, Jeremy Howell.
Speaker B:Thank you for coming on the show today.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker B:Yeah, man.
Speaker B:So why don't we take the next like 60 to 90 seconds and you just let the audience know who you are and what you do.
Speaker A:Jeremy Howell with impact value coaching.
Speaker A:So I have two different sides of my coaching practice.
Speaker A:I have the business side where I focus on systems and processes, leadership development, up to 40 areas of impact, different strategies I use in different, different areas and also have the lifestyle coaching, which who doesn't want a better lifestyle, Right?
Speaker A:So I really focus on the things that you do want and a lot of times we focus on things that we don't want.
Speaker A:So I help you basically pull out the things that you do want for your life.
Speaker A:And I put it into a beautiful visual prayer is what I call it.
Speaker A:It's like a guided meditation.
Speaker A:And then we reverse engineer that visualization into daily small steps to get you there.
Speaker B:Wonderful.
Speaker B:So let's unpack some of this stuff and then I definitely want to ask some questions about the visual prayer stuff because that sounds fascinating to me.
Speaker B:So the first thing that really hits me, it's the lifestyle and leadership coaching.
Speaker B:They can go together.
Speaker B:But how did you get into that?
Speaker B:Like, what were some of the things that got you into this particular flavor of entrepreneurship?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker A:So the business coaching mainly came from my own experiences of ownership about it.
Speaker A:It almost broke me.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Being a business owner of an assisted living facility and that's 24 hour care for elderly and disabled folks.
Speaker A: and my wife opened that in in: Speaker A:I hit rock bottom, basically.
Speaker A:And everybody's rock bottom looks different.
Speaker A:Mine didn't look like drugs or alcohol or women or gambling.
Speaker A:It was business ownership.
Speaker A:So what I did was a, mainly it wasn't me that I hit rock bottom because I watched my best friend, my wife hit her rock bottom because she wore it completely different.
Speaker A:The stress, she was losing her hair, she was losing sleep at night, anxiety ridden.
Speaker A:It was pretty bad, even to the point where I seen her instantly get hives all over her chest off of a call that she got that she perceived to Be bad.
Speaker A:She instantly broke out in hives.
Speaker A:And I thought to myself on that day, I'm like, hold on, God, you.
Speaker A:I just seen this manifest on her skin so fast, she didn't even know that it was a bad phone call.
Speaker A:She just perceived it to be a bad phone call, which it was not a bad phone call, by the way.
Speaker A:She just perceived it that way.
Speaker A:And it really woke me up to hang on, I've got to change this.
Speaker A:I've gotta, I've got to grab the steering wheel.
Speaker A:So what I did was I basically called out to God when I hit my rock bottom.
Speaker A:I was driving home one night and that's what I did for our business was I was a driver.
Speaker A:I drove all over the place here in northeast Florida for our people.
Speaker A:So some of Those days were 16 hour days.
Speaker A:And one long day I was heading back home and I cried out to God, I said, God, I can't do this no more.
Speaker A:You need to show me why I'm doing this.
Speaker A:Because this is not what you intended for our life.
Speaker A:And so you made a statement.
Speaker A:You're like, these two go hand in hand.
Speaker A:So my lifestyle and my business was a wreck.
Speaker A:Same with my wife.
Speaker A:My wife was not living the life that she thought she was going to have.
Speaker A:When we opened this business, it was the furthest thing from it.
Speaker A:And this is what my passion is now, is to help business owners gain freedom.
Speaker A:Because we all open these businesses thinking that we have this in mind, this lifestyle that is going to provide for us and then we get into the business and then that business grabs a hold of us and it doesn't let go.
Speaker A:And the truth is, if you find the right people, they can help you out of these situations.
Speaker B:So this brings up a great amount of questions for me.
Speaker B:You have a lot we can unpack here.
Speaker B:And I think the first one that really hits me is how did you know you were at rock bottom?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Like I said, when I seen my wife going, what she was going through, what she was going through, it, it wears on a man, at least a good husband.
Speaker A:It's going to wear on a man in a way that because I carry stress differently, I.
Speaker A:I could be strong, I can lift up things and it might stress the body a little bit, but that kind of stress I actually enjoy.
Speaker A:But watching somebody that you care about go through something that you feel helpless on is a totally different stress.
Speaker A:So when I hit that rock bottom, it was on that drive home, like I was carrying it really strong until that moment.
Speaker A:And I got that.
Speaker A:I Guess that quiet moment alone with God, I just emptied my heart out, man.
Speaker A:I emptied my heart out.
Speaker A:I wept.
Speaker A:Like when I asked God, I was like, God, you got to help me.
Speaker A:God showed up.
Speaker A:Like the Holy Spirit entered that vehicle.
Speaker A:And it wasn't just, oh, maybe it was this or that.
Speaker A:No, it was God.
Speaker A:And he set me on fire.
Speaker A:I'm still on fire to this day.
Speaker A:I'm still on fire to this day.
Speaker A:What I asked of him, I said, God, I can't do this no more.
Speaker A:I'm not happy, my family's not happy.
Speaker A:Give me eyes to see, give me ears to hear, light my path.
Speaker A:I'm asking you for knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
Speaker A:I didn't know what I was asking for.
Speaker A:I had no clue what I just asked God for.
Speaker A:But I knew that I was at, I was doing it from the heart.
Speaker B:So let me take a moment to talk to the listeners for one second.
Speaker B:So if you're here and you're listening and you are not a Christian, I do want you to know from a Christian perspective, we do believe that God is real and his presence does show up.
Speaker B:So when you hear one of somebody speaking about God showed up or God did this thing, it's because as a Christian, we do believe that God's present is real.
Speaker B:So I wanted to speak to you, to the non Christian, just to let you know we see you as well and that, you know, as we go further in the episode, I'm.
Speaker B:You're going to get a lot from this, but I want you to just listen to what's being said and understand that from a non Christian perspective, it may seem weird, but from a Christian perspective, this is everyday life.
Speaker B:Let's jump back into the conversation.
Speaker B:So rock bottom.
Speaker B:We're praying, we're calling out to God, God shows up.
Speaker B:I really like how you're focused on.
Speaker B:You had the stress, but it wasn't until you watched what your wife was going through that really was what broke you.
Speaker B:And I really like how you brought that out in the vulnerability of that.
Speaker B:So then this brings up some interesting questions for me.
Speaker B:How long did you wait until you did something like this was probably a process going on for a while.
Speaker B:But what was the process?
Speaker B:Was it the hives that finally said, that's it, I'm enough, it's enough, we're doing something, or did you just wait to see walk us through that?
Speaker A:So that was what I did, was I cried out to God like I didn't know where else to turn.
Speaker A:I didn't go going through it.
Speaker A:Because when you're a business owner, you're a doer at first, right?
Speaker A:So we were doing so much that it was hard for me to, at least in my mind, to turn to the right person because I didn't know who to turn to.
Speaker A:And that's actually the kind of person I try to be now is that person that I didn't have back then.
Speaker A:So that's what.
Speaker A:That's my heart.
Speaker A:I don't have to do coaching.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I do coaching because I am looking for those people that are in that same situation, or at least similar situations, that they want to gain clarity and freedom and order in their business.
Speaker A:That's what it's designed for.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I would say where I actually pivoted to where I was like, oh, I'm actually going to start acting on this was instantly when God, When I cried out to God and the Holy Spirit showed up, he.
Speaker A:I was weeping and it wasn't weeping.
Speaker A:Like, like I was upset.
Speaker A:I was weeping because I actually felt God for the first time.
Speaker A:I was raised a Christian and this is for the non Christian listeners as well.
Speaker A:Down knew there was God.
Speaker A:I believed in Jesus, but it wasn't really prevalent in my life.
Speaker A:And what God's waiting on for us to do, he.
Speaker A:He never leaves us, right?
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He's waiting for us to hit that moment where it's I'm all yours.
Speaker A:And that's what I did that day.
Speaker A:And the result of that was he gave me the knowledge, he gave me the wisdom, and he gave me the understanding.
Speaker A:Not all at once.
Speaker A:Not all at once.
Speaker A:I heard audible.com loud and clear.
Speaker A:And I don't care if people think I'm crazy.
Speaker A:That's the cool part about this, is that people sometimes be like, nah, man, that sounds crazy.
Speaker A:That's fine for you.
Speaker A:I know what I heard and I know what I started doing instantly.
Speaker A:Started basically gaining my freedom back.
Speaker A:So audible.
Speaker A:Com, I've heard of that before.
Speaker A:I was like, never had a desire to listen to any kind of books.
Speaker A:And even when I showed up home that afternoon, it was actually late evening.
Speaker A:I showed up, my wife was cooking dinner and I come and I'm still weeping.
Speaker A:And I told her, you know, she didn't know what was going on.
Speaker A:She thought I got in a wreck.
Speaker A:You know, she was like, what happened?
Speaker A:Are you hurt?
Speaker A:She's never seen me weep before.
Speaker A:So I come in and I'm like, listen, God told me audible.com.
Speaker A:so I'm downloading audible.com and I even did the paid part Like, I, I got all kinds of credits and instantly God started showing me books that I needed to listen to.
Speaker B:That's good, man.
Speaker A:Some of these books as well.
Speaker A:Because I, I believe that some of the, I, I listen to over 250 books pretty quick, within a three or four year period.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, so for the listener too.
Speaker B:And, and this is something in leadership, we talk about a lot of your freedom come from the right people, the right places, in the right books.
Speaker B:And so I really appreciate you bringing that out.
Speaker B:So let me ask you this question.
Speaker B:Do you feel that during that time you have, like, basically became a workaholic during the burnout time?
Speaker B:Was that, is that safe to say?
Speaker B:Or was that not a thing?
Speaker B:Okay, so workaholic.
Speaker B:Did you find that you were trying to make something work long after it was dead with the businesses?
Speaker B:Like after, after the time has passed, after maybe God's anointing on it was gone or whatever?
Speaker B:Did you find that you were trying to stay loyal to the idea until the breaking point?
Speaker B:What was going through your head during that time?
Speaker A:So that's a really good question.
Speaker A:So the business was actually thriving, but what was happening was me and my wife were carrying all the weight.
Speaker A:Mainly my wife and I wrote a book.
Speaker A:It's right here, right above my head here.
Speaker A:It's a book with Brian Tracy.
Speaker A:And my portion of that book is called Too Many Hats for One Head.
Speaker A:It's my story about that I tell about my wife and how we gain freedom.
Speaker A:My wife was wearing all the hats.
Speaker A:I wore a few of them, right, Because I'm her husband and I was trying to carry the weight with her.
Speaker A:But what I had to do was slowly take those hats off her and put it on the right people.
Speaker A:Once I started learning through, through these books that I was listening to that God was pushing me towards, even books that I would, I would argue with God.
Speaker A:Listen to this.
Speaker A:I would argue with God.
Speaker A:No, I'm not listening to that book.
Speaker A:I know the author and he's says the F word every two minutes.
Speaker A:And he would, God would have that pop up and highlight it to me.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:People think I'm crazy.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:But he would highlight books to me.
Speaker A:Like somebody just highlighted it with a lighter.
Speaker A:Like, it would glow, right?
Speaker A:And I would argue, I'm like, no, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm like, I'm arguing with God.
Speaker A:Like, no, I'm not listening to that.
Speaker A:But he'd always have, he would always bring it back up and show it to me right and whenever we listen to those books, especially those books that were secular, that they were not, you know, they had nothing to do with God, but they had the principles in it.
Speaker A:They had the strategies or the methods that I needed for my business.
Speaker B:That's really good.
Speaker B:So just take a.
Speaker B:Let's take a pause for a second.
Speaker B:Just for the listener who is not watching this on YouTube or the video version of this, what's the name of the book with Brian Tracy?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Winning Strategies for Success.
Speaker B:Winning Strategies for Success.
Speaker B:And to the listener, we will put all this in the show notes for you to do it, but I want to make sure that we honor you who may not be watching the YouTube version of this, which is video.
Speaker B:If you want to go to that LeadwithJim live, take you right to the YouTube channel, make sure you subscribe, and then watch the video version of this podcast.
Speaker B:Other than that, to the listeners, we just want to acknowledge you and just check the show notes.
Speaker B:Grab the book.
Speaker B:And your chapter was called Wearing Too Many Hats.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Too many hats for one head.
Speaker B:Too many hats for one head.
Speaker B:So make sure you check that out and connect with our speaker, Jeremy.
Speaker B:So here's what's an interesting question that really just hits me with this.
Speaker B:And I know I'm guilty.
Speaker B:I know many of our listeners are guilty of this, of wearing too many hats.
Speaker B:When you start taking these hats off, how do you determine which ones to keep?
Speaker A:Only the ones you want.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's the beauty, right?
Speaker A:Only the ones that you feel like your talents, gifts and abilities, and your desire.
Speaker A:So through this journey, I found that my wife was egotistical.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:We all are.
Speaker A:And I'm just.
Speaker B:We are.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's good.
Speaker A:I'm picking on my wife.
Speaker A:But she.
Speaker A:She would tell herself things, and I had a coach her through this.
Speaker A:Like, she was my first coaching client, and we didn't even know it.
Speaker A:I was coaching her.
Speaker A:I would try to take a hat off, and she would snatch it back.
Speaker A:I would hire out for this, and then she would go kick him out of the way and then do it anyways.
Speaker A:And I had to show her, like, listen, just because you can do it good doesn't mean that somebody else can't do it better.
Speaker A:Because when you wear all the hats, it's hard for you to be good at any one of those roles.
Speaker A:So the hats meaning roles, right?
Speaker A:So if you're wearing all the hats and your spread so thin, no wonder you're so stressed because you're trying to juggle all these different roles that really?
Speaker A:If she would say things like this, we can't afford employees.
Speaker A:Through my journey, I found employees make you money.
Speaker A:Yes, they're a liability.
Speaker A:They're seen as a liability, but they make you money.
Speaker A:If they don't make you money, then you didn't properly set that role in place.
Speaker A:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:Like they should be making you money.
Speaker A:It duplicated you and you, you, you don't you know how I came across this, by the way, Jim?
Speaker A:Being a systems guy, like, actually being known as a systems guy.
Speaker A:I'm known for a few things, but one of them, like one of the first things that people started recognizing me for was this guy's really good at systems.
Speaker A:And if you know anything about systems and business systems, set you free.
Speaker A:I actually went to Peru on a missions trip.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Me and my wife were missions directors for a number of years.
Speaker A:And that was my first place.
Speaker A:I actually did Boots on the Ground, just me and my family, just to see the mission base and to come back and report about who we are supporting in our congregation.
Speaker A:So I went there.
Speaker A:Didn't even really know why I was there.
Speaker A:Besides just to put boots on the ground.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I feel like I was in the way.
Speaker A:I don't speak Spanish.
Speaker A:And I was about maybe two days in, three days in, they did their Sunday service.
Speaker A:Excellent service, by the way.
Speaker A:Praise and worship was out of the world.
Speaker A:And I didn't understand a word of it except for I knew they were praising Jesus.
Speaker A:But the missionary came in, I was in his house sipping coffee.
Speaker A:I felt like I was in the way for real.
Speaker A:Like I was in his space.
Speaker A:But he came in and he slapped his computer down.
Speaker A:He said, jeremy, Holy Spirit said, I need to talk to you.
Speaker A:I said, okay, about.
Speaker A:He said, I got a lot of chaos here.
Speaker A:I said, I noticed that I don't like giving unsolicited advice.
Speaker A:And he said, yeah.
Speaker A:So Holy Spirit said, you can help me with that?
Speaker A:I said, yeah, I can help you with that.
Speaker A:So we went through and I created a really quick worksheet on how to create systems.
Speaker A:And this, this missionary just actually left my house a couple days ago.
Speaker A:He comes here and stays now whenever he's in the States.
Speaker A:Give him a pad to passion.
Speaker A:But anyways, so that helped his business or his ministry run like a business.
Speaker A:And I showed him that it's the same thing.
Speaker A:Business and ministry are a mirror.
Speaker A:The only difference is that you have paid employees and you have volunteers.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker A:And that's the biggest thing.
Speaker A:But that also sprouted a leadership development type conversation with him that he started actually raising up the leaders the right way.
Speaker A:And he thought he was doing all this, he thought he was delegating.
Speaker A:He wasn't.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:I told him, I said, one of your biggest problems is you're not delegating because the phone and you're.
Speaker A:This person's talking in your ear this way and this person's pulling you in this direction.
Speaker A:You're putting this fire out and you're putting that fire out.
Speaker A:You can't do that.
Speaker A:You're wearing too many hats, right?
Speaker A:And you got all these people that are willing.
Speaker B:So then this brings back to, to full circle to the conversation about the too many hats.
Speaker B:What are the signs that we can look for that we are wearing in too many hats?
Speaker B:What are those signs?
Speaker B:What are some things we can look for?
Speaker A:Burnout is, is one of the biggest ones.
Speaker A:Chaos.
Speaker A:And this is something biblical too.
Speaker A:God's God doesn't operate in chaos.
Speaker A:God is a God of order.
Speaker A:So once, once things are orderly, clean and in place and systems are working the right way, you're going to work the right way, right?
Speaker A:If you're stressed, if you're worried, if you have feel like you have too much on your plate and not enough helpers, like these are all signs that you might need a coach.
Speaker A:You might need somebody and not just any coach.
Speaker A:Like you should do your due diligence.
Speaker A:Like you should find somebody that's been there and actually done that.
Speaker A:I know a lot of business coaches that never ran a business that.
Speaker A:It baffles me.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:Some of this is just strategy, right?
Speaker A:Strategy.
Speaker A:Not my strong point.
Speaker A:I know a lot of strategy.
Speaker A:The strong point is I've been there and done that.
Speaker A:I know what it feels like and I've seen it from beginning to end numerous times.
Speaker A:If as a business coach I think you should actually do it for yourself.
Speaker A:This is my seventh business coaching.
Speaker A:Oh wow.
Speaker A:Seventh business.
Speaker A:Every business that I do as well is multi directional.
Speaker A:So I don't just do coaching, I do retreats.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And coaching itself has many different aspects of it.
Speaker A:Group coaching.
Speaker A:I got flash coaching, one on one coaching.
Speaker A:And then I also have a membership that called Moxie Tribe for entrepreneurs and just life.
Speaker A:People that want a better lifestyle, that want to connect.
Speaker A:So there's aspects of it is what I'm saying.
Speaker A:And it's the same thing we did with our assisted living.
Speaker A:Out of that assisted living, I burnt up three other businesses and one of them was a golden goose.
Speaker A:So like you should, as somebody that is looking for a business coach, you should do your due diligence, ask the questions.
Speaker A:Have you been there and done that?
Speaker A:Show me where.
Speaker A:Where I should listen to you, right?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker B:Let me jump in here for a second because I love where you're going with the coaching and I 100 as a coach, I recommend you get coaches.
Speaker B:And then, of course, that is one of the biggest soapboxes I'll jump on is if the.
Speaker B:The type of coach you're hiring, make sure they've done the thing that you're asking them to do.
Speaker B:I think that is that it's surprising me how many people don't have the width at all or the awareness to ask those questions.
Speaker B:But if I'm hiring you and I'm paying you money, I want to at least know you have some success in an area that I'm hiring you for.
Speaker B:So I want to get down here.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:With the hats.
Speaker B:Because I think this is an important part of the conversation.
Speaker B:Worry, lack of energy, overwhelm, all these things leading up to the big chaos and burnout.
Speaker B:So let's say we're walking this journey.
Speaker B:You've walked this journey.
Speaker B:You've helped your wife walk this journey.
Speaker B:So we've recognized the hats.
Speaker B:How do we learn to let go of these hats?
Speaker A:That is probably the best question you've asked so far.
Speaker A:So this was very important in my business is to show my wife trust.
Speaker A:If you don't, there's the 4Ds.
Speaker A:I don't know if you.
Speaker A:Some people have different versions of the 4ds, but I'll go over them real quick.
Speaker A:So you develop, you delegate, you duplicate, then you disappear.
Speaker A:So develop.
Speaker A:You got to develop the right people.
Speaker A:You don't just hire somebody and say, go do that.
Speaker A:Because what's going to happen is they're going to screw up or they're going to make you decide everything.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:You gotta develop them.
Speaker A:You got to show them, hey, this is what I want you to do.
Speaker A:I want you to show me.
Speaker A:And this is what I tell people.
Speaker A:And that this is just Jeremy.
Speaker A:But I've been very successful and I still have my leadership do it in my businesses.
Speaker A:As I say, as long as you do it at least 80 of how Jeremy just did it, I'll back you 100.
Speaker B:I got you.
Speaker A:Why would I tell somebody that?
Speaker B:Are you asking me or.
Speaker B:Or yes.
Speaker B:Is that rhetorical?
Speaker B:Because you paused and I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Is that a rhetorical question or is he going somewhere?
Speaker A:I'm a coach.
Speaker A:I like to ask questions.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I'm interviewing you being somebody who is also in the leadership development stage, the empowerment comes in to back off and things like that.
Speaker B:But I was sitting there, I was like, wait a minute, what's going on here?
Speaker A:So I'll go ahead and tell you though, because I do like to hear other people's opinion of what I just said.
Speaker A:What would that tell you if you're my employee?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:So going back, just so my mind's back into the places.
Speaker B:If you were to get it right, 80% and then back off.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's a statement of trust.
Speaker B:I trust you enough to actually complete the work.
Speaker A:I'm trusting you to screw up, basically.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:This was what business owners don't do.
Speaker A:They don't trust their team to screw up.
Speaker A:They're gonna screw up, right?
Speaker A:Let them screw up.
Speaker A:So I have a.
Speaker A:I have this as my non negotiable.
Speaker A:When somebody hires me as their coach, no matter if it's lifestyle coaching or business coaching, I tell them this is non negotiable.
Speaker A:You have to look at the world in two different ways.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:You have to.
Speaker A:And that is lessons and blessings.
Speaker A:If something good happens, thank God.
Speaker A:Show gratitude.
Speaker A:That's a blessing.
Speaker A:If something bad happens, you don't go and scream at your employee and say, what?
Speaker A:What were you thinking?
Speaker A:You go and you put your arm around them and say, what did you learn the lesson.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What lesson did you learn?
Speaker A:Show me.
Speaker A:And the reason is because when I tell somebody, what were you thinking?
Speaker A:Because I've had that, that style, leadership at first, like, freak out.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, guess what?
Speaker A:That employee will never do again.
Speaker A:They'll never think for their self.
Speaker A:They're going to be afraid to make.
Speaker A:If they stick around, they're going to be afraid to make a decision because they just got yelled at.
Speaker A:It's a different feeling to be trusted.
Speaker A:Okay, so trust is really close to being loved.
Speaker A:Close to that same feeling.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Build.
Speaker A:Build your culture, man.
Speaker A:Build your culture.
Speaker A:If you want a culture of people that are disobedient, that they grumble when you walk away, they do what they want to anyways.
Speaker A:They make you decide everything.
Speaker A:You want a team like that or do you want a team that's going to show up and show out every day because they understand their leader, trust them, and they, they, when they learn a lesson, by the way, less likely to repeat that mistake.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So let me ask you one more question.
Speaker B:And then as we start landing the plane of this episode, so you're a pure People developer too.
Speaker B:And you can tell that one of the things he's letting go is, hey, develop, do the 4D method, develop, duplicate, and all those things.
Speaker B:But what would you say the last question, one of two.
Speaker B:What would you say to the person who is emotionally struggling to let the thing go?
Speaker A:So I come across that all the time, emotion is nothing but energy, emotion.
Speaker A:So whatever emotion that they're feeling, I try to point it back to the opposite feeling of that motion.
Speaker A:So you have that same energy, but you can flip it.
Speaker A:This is the mindset shift.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker A:So if you're anxious, that anxious feeling is no different than excitement.
Speaker A:So if.
Speaker A:If you're anxious, tell yourself a different story and feel the same energy in that moment.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:Start getting excited.
Speaker A:Emotions are not real as far as.
Speaker A:And let me explain that.
Speaker A:Is the energy real?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:But the story you're telling yourself can change aspect is not real.
Speaker A:So tell yourself the better story.
Speaker A:This goes back to lessons and blessings.
Speaker A:The reason I say lessons and blessings is because when anybody says, oh, woe is me, hold on now, what you learn.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I also point out, don't skip past the blessing.
Speaker A:Show gratitude, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker B:Gratitude's powerful.
Speaker B:And that's even a whole other episode on itself.
Speaker B:So with that being said, we're coming down to the end here.
Speaker B:You know, I ask all my listeners, and if you've been a listener for a while here on the show, you know what part of the show it is.
Speaker B:It's the hashtag wisdom Mama.
Speaker B:Make sure you go to my Facebook lead with Jim.
Speaker B:Put hashtag wisdom bomb in there.
Speaker B:You'll see all of them.
Speaker B: I've been doing it since: Speaker B:Jeremy, what hashtag wisdombomb would you leave with the audience?
Speaker A:This one's from Jack Canfield and it's E plus R equals O.
Speaker A:If you can get this equation by far, this can change your life.
Speaker A:And we were just actually speaking on this.
Speaker A:Event plus response equals outcome.
Speaker B:Event plus response equal outcome.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:I like that a lot.
Speaker B:So thank you for that.
Speaker B:And Jeremy, thank you for a great conversation and being on the show today.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I appreciate you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So with that being said, how do people find you?
Speaker A:Impactvaluebusiness.com is probably the best place.
Speaker A:I'm all over social media as well.
Speaker B:What's your handles on social media?
Speaker A:Impact Value llc, I believe, is the business coaching and then just Jeremy Howell.
Speaker B:Jeremy Howell.
Speaker B:Okay.
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